Almada, Puig & all the players to watch, How Man Utd can end their Anfield hoodoo , Where next for Neymar? The pundit had already been disciplined for sexist comments made about female. Stelling, who has presented Soccer Saturday for nearly 30 years, is said to have been furious when Charlie Nicholas, Phil Thompson and Matt Le Tissier were asked to leave the show last year. adding: "He's deeply sorry about it and I accept his apology.". Sky on Tuesday refused to comment on the. Not for myself. Football's return after the coronavirus pandemic saw attention pull away from the pitch, after Matt Le Tissier claimed TV bosses asked him to wear a Black Lives Matter badge during Soccer Saturday. The News of the World is a subsidiary of News Corporation, which owns a large stake in BSkyB and is seeking to purchase the whole company. There is a sports room, a little boisterous like a dressing room up and down the country. "There is not inherent sexism at Sky, nor in the sports department or the football department. I deserve to be battered. The 74-year-old former England coach, nicknamed 'Bumble', joined Sky in 1999 after his three-year stint with the national team. "I have spoken to Sian. ', Minto had fronted Sky Sports' EFL coverage, as well as presenting their LaLiga programmes. He presented the Waterloo Cup crown green bowls (independently produced) for Sky Sports until the mid-2000s. Among those paying tribute to Bumbles warm personality and brilliance behind the microphone included former England internationals Mark Butcher and Ebony Rainford-Brent, while former Sky colleague Nasser Hussain said: He is one of the all-time great commentators and a wonderful human being. Soon after Gray was sacked, the Professional Game Match Officials (PGMO) withdrew Massey from Tuesday's game at Crewe. subsequently disciplined. Both Sky Sports and the FA condemned the comments, which led to Keys resigning from his role and Gray being sacked. Sky has sacked football presenter Andy Gray after further allegations of his sexist behaviour came to light. I look forward to being back on screen very soon.". "He is much loved and respected by his fellow commentators and production team who cherish the time spent working with him," read a statement. ", Gray then stated: "If off-air conversations of television and radio presenters were recorded, there would be no one left working. He recently contributed a piece for Sportsmailabout how stereotyping in commentary is morally wrong, after a report from a Danish research firm found there was a clear racial bias in football commentary. On the latest Gary Neville Podcast, the Sky Sports pundit discusses Man Utd fan concerns about the Glazers and the issue of states investing in football clubs. Sir Ian Botham and David Gower bid farewell to the Sky Sports commentary box after the conclusion of the fifth and final Ashes Test at The Oval. It is important for PGMO to have talented people from all backgrounds getting involved in refereeing. The presenter follows pundits Matt Le Tissier, Phil Thompson and. "Thank you Bumble for your service. See charming Karren Brady this morning complaining about sexism? What have they done, what have these guys done? That is not to defend what happened. E. Author of the review. "It has been a truly fantastic experience and a privilege to work with, and alongside, so many talented individuals. Gray has been a very visible presence in its latest advertising campaigns. As well as being regulars on Soccer Saturday, Le Tissier, Thompson and Nicholas often featured on the Sky Sports News channel to discuss topics and breaking news. Merse says while Erik ten Hag has done a great job at Man Utd, he should be winning silverware, before predicting the battle to beat the drop will go the distance. Gary Neville believes Harry Kane must leave Tottenham this summer if he wants to win trophies and feels a move to Manchester United is his most likely option. The statement from the broadcaster said: We are changing some parts of our football coverage Matt, Charlie and Phil have done a great job for us over the years, and they will leave us with our sincere thanks and very best wishes., Soccer Saturday host Jeff Stelling reacted to the announcement in despair, tweeting: "One of my saddest days ever at Sky Sports with the departure of three of my best mates. He later responded to Ian Wright's video, saying: 'Totally agree with you Ian Wright, excellent point well made, racism should be left out of this completely but from one middle aged bloke to another I thought I did a decent job'. Andy Burton was shown discussing Massey with Gray ahead of Saturday's match in footage leaked to sister channel Sky News. 2021 Associated Newspapers Limited. A community rec center that offers a multitude of sports housed in 60,000+sqft on 12+ Acres in PV. It's been a great show. Legendary commentator Clive Tyldesley has revealed his dejection in an emotional video after being replaced in his lead role with ITV after 22 years in the job. Yeah. Gray has instructed law firm Schillings to represent him over the termination of his contract, while Massey was withdrawn from her duties as an assistant referee for Tuesday's League Two game between Crewe and Bradford. Oh I forgot Clive you are 65. ', When asked whether pundits on Sky Sports had been told to wear the badge, Le Tissier laughed and said: 'We were asked to wear it.'. Matterface, Tyldesley's replacement, will be continuing in his role as talkSPORT's lead football commentator alongside his new position. Another Sky Sports presenter is sacked: Scott Minto is the latest 'middle aged white guy' big name to be fired after Soccer Saturday hosts Matt Le Tissier, Charlie Nicholas and Phil Thompson. They have been part of a team that for me was the best.". ', he questioned as United went in search of a goal. Caroline Barker. Up to $10 000 in daily prizes, How Man Utd can end their Anfield hoodoo , Where next for Neymar? "The Sun", "Sun", "Sun Online" are registered trademarks or trade names of News Group Newspapers Limited. Graham Little. The 49-year-old began presenting for Sky in 2006 after . 'While the decision wasnt mine, I leave Sky with nothing but fond memories of covering the EFL, Play-Offs, Carabao Cup, Spanish Football, Revista De La Liga, and many more. In January 2011,long-time Sky Sports commentators RichardKeys and Andy Gray were forced to leave the broadcasting companyafter the leak of several tapes in which the duo were found to make derogatory, sexist comments about female referee Sian Massey and other female figures in the industry. The statement was made in a final attempt to save his job, but was not well-received. That is sad, not only because he is a fine person but a brilliant broadcaster. The Ultimate Trivia Battle! You do it. During lockdown, the popular commentator kept people entertained by commentating over clips of children playing football and even his wife's homemade lasagne. - Jose has become a laughing stock, Arsenal's plans to avoid bottling the title, Exclusive: Kovacic on Modric, CR7 and THAT Liverpool goal. Bumble was the lead commentator but he turned to Ian Bishop and said this is West Indies moment. 'I was told about three weeks ago so I have had some time to get my head around the decision but I haven't got my head around it. Sky Sports cricket coverage will certainly be poorer and a lot less entertaining following the decision by David Lloyd to retire after 22 years with the broadcaster. He started presenting on Sky Sports News in July 2007, before leaving in late 2010. Commentator David Lloyd has left Sky Sports after 22 years. Martin Tyler (born 14 September 1945) is an English football commentator and semi-professional football coach. [4] On 14 July 2020, ITV announced that Matterface would replace Clive Tyldesley as lead football and England commentator at the start of the . Tyldesley was the voice of a number of memorable European nights on ITV but none come close to Liverpool's stunning comeback against AC Milan in 2005. Sky Sports' Andy Walker believes Celtic will extend their lead over Rangers before the end of the season. The new footage, which was recorded in December but only came to light on Monday night, appears to show Gray making a suggestive comment towards colleague Charlotte Jackson, who does not openly react, and he and Keys then burst out laughing.
", Gray then stated: "If off-air conversations of television and radio presenters were recorded, there would be no one left working. Do me a favour, love.". Thompson said his 22 years on the show were 'great' and wished the show luck going forward, Le Tissier broke his Twitter silence on Wednesday to thank those who he has worked with. Last updated on 21 December 202121 December 2021.From the section Cricket. Why is football knowledge measured by the offside rule. Matterface was then was appointed earlier this year to come into the role, starting in time for the new season, which then became delayed due to the coronavirus crisis. Scott Minto has been sacked by Sky Sports as he becomes the latest to fall victim to the broadcaster's on-screen shake-up. "Because a black person or a woman might get the opportunity to do this job. It was wrong. Bumble senses when the viewer needs cheering up and can always bring a smile to their faces, whether it is by singing Sweet Caroline or just making a little one-liner. Sky Sports commentator sacked in sexism row January 26, 2011 5.09am Save Share Normal text size Larger text size Very large text size One of English football's leading television commentators, Andy Gray, was shown to stuff a microphone into his trousers and ask his female co-presenter to "tuck that down here for me". LUTHER BLISSETT LAUNCHES STAUNCH DEFENCE OF BLACK PUNDITS AFTER SKY AXE SOCCER SATURDAY TRIO, Scott Minto has been sacked by Sky Sports after 13 years service, Micah Richards has been linked with a role on Soccer Saturday. ITV announced that the 65-year-old he will be replaced by 42-year-old Sam Matterface from the start of the new season and Tyldesley appeared devastated by the decision as he posted a video reacting to the announcement. He hung up his boots in 2003 before joining Sky's punditry panel shortly after. PGMO general manager Mike Riley said: "PGMO and Sian believe that with any football match the focus should not be on the officials but on the players and the game itself. Rafiq said Lloyd also apologised to him personally, adding: "He's deeply sorry about it and I accept his apology.". Bill Leslie Ageism alive and well in UK broadcasting.'. The trolls turned on the football pundit for criticising the governments handling of the Covid-19 crisis. Forget what I said -they probably dont know the offside rule," Gray added. Rooney burst into the spotlight with that stunning 90th-minute winner against Arsenal way back in 2002. All rights reserved. 'What's it got to do with Black Lives Matter, or the fact that black people may get an opportunity to get those jobs? Goal takes a look. Hayley Mcqueen. If this starts to change that, it would give me some pleasure.". Quite a few people have been in touch with me, asking me to react, to comment, um, I'm not sure that would be a very good idea at the moment. "I am hugely excited by the future and will be sharing news soon of my next project. ", Glittering drama based on the audacious Brinks-Mat security depot heist, A corrupt copper and a Leeds gangster are bound together by decades of dishonesty. Here we go. Good luck to Sky, Jeff, Merse and the new gang on Soccer Saturday.'. Learn more. Sky said it is investigating Lloyd's alleged comments. You know, like everybody else in football, I am a matter of opinion, I totally get that and I totally respect ITV's right to change their opinion of me. The pair wolf-whistled and chanted: 'Get your t**s out for the lads!'. I've not even thought about winding down towards retirement or anything like that. "While the decision wasn't mine, I leave Sky with nothing but fond memories of covering the EFL, Play-Offs, Carabao Cup, Spanish football, Revista De La Liga and many more. [3] On 12 January 2018, Matterface was confirmed as Matt Chapman's replacement as commentator for ITV 's Dancing on Ice. Featured review. Keys later said: "Prehistoric banter isn't acceptable in the modern world. Andy Gray and Richard Keys caught on camera speaking to Clare Tomlinson in clip from early 2000s. saying that Massey and other female assistant referees "did not know the offside rule". This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. Josi scores twice, Predators beat Coyotes 6-2 NHL. David Prutton. Scott, who played for Arsenal's women's team, has become a prominent pundit in recent years, featuring on Sky Sports and the BBC. Read about our approach to external linking. I don't know. Burton had been due to appear in his role as a touchline reporter on Sky's coverage of tomorrow night's Carling Cup semi-final second leg between Birmingham City and West Ham but will now be replaced. Terrific memories.'. , 'They're taking the p*ss!' about his experience of racism at Yorkshire, Rafiq said he had been told Lloyd messaged other members of the media that "a clubhouse is the lifeblood of a club, and Asian players don't go in there". But they've done brilliantly. While fans have admitted that Croft does become a little . That is only fair to those connected with the clubs and their supporters. Merson Says: Curtains for Potter if Chelsea lose at Spurs? Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group. It reflects what goes on in pubs and clubs," he said. The 74-year-old former England coach, nicknamed 'Bumble', joined Sky in 1999 after his three-year stint with the national team. game at Molineux
Sky Sports said none of the presenters were obliged to wear the badge. Gray has gone to the High Court in an attempt to force private investigator Glenn Mulcaire to reveal which News of the World journalists asked him to hack into his phone. Much like BBC's star-studded commentary panel, Sky Cricket also have an equally popular commentary panel. 'Consequently I am comfortable that I don't judge any player other than for the attributes I see before my eyes rather than any preconceived ideas I may have about them. . The veteran commentator has been sacked from lead role with ITV football; . Keys added: "Somebody better get down there and explain offside to her.". Erik ten Hag speaks exclusively to Sky Sports News' Melissa Reddy ahead of the Carabao Cup final on Man Utd's togetherness and more. 'They are the two main points for me. This BBC Sport guide tells you how to and provides a glossary for those new to the sport. Sky Sports News' senior reporter Melissa Reddy analyses how the departure of key figures off the pitch has left Liverpool as a club in transition. Roman Josi scored two goals Sunday night and the Nashville Predators won their third in a . The former Everton striker is now working in BeIN sports in Qatar . "Sian has the full backing of PGMO and we hope she continues her development, which has shown excellent progress so far. The news comes as a massive jolt to a lot of fans who have been accustomed to Croft's style of commentary on an F1 weekend. The news comes less than 24 hours after Sky released a statement regarding the aforementioned Le Tissier and co. "There is not inherent sexism at Sky, nor in the sports department or the football department. It is now expected Sky Sports will bring in new faces for the coming campaign, in order to freshen up the popular football show and keep Soccer Saturday current. The pundit had already been disciplined for sexist comments made about female referee Sian Massey before Saturday's match between Wolves and Liverpool. Formula 1 2023 - Pre-Season Testing - Live TV Coverage on . Pundit Micah Richards and Goals on Sunday co-host Alex Scott are two of the names linked with replacing them on the show, but both have faced a backlash on social media. He was a first-class umpire from 1985 to 1987 and became Lancashire coach in 1993. Stelling tweeted: 'Clive does more prep and stats than me - and his are useful! That is only fair to those connected with the clubs and their supporters. And Le God formed a brilliant relationship with Liverpools former captain and assistant manager Thommo, 66, and ex-Celtic and Arsenal star Nicholas, 58. Former Southampton star Le Tissier was a hugely popular member of Stelling's Saturday team, though has courted controversy several times in the past. Forget what I said -they probably dont know the offside rule," Gray added. We wholeheartedly apologise for our behaviour. We failed to change when the world has changed. "And so I feel it is time for me to do the same and move on to the next chapter.". Female linesman. SKY News commentator Ross Cameron has been sacked by the broadcaster after launching into a racist rant about Chinese people visiting Disneyland. Former Reds skipper and England star Thompson won 16 major titles with his beloved Liverpool including seven First Division titles, three European Cup, one FA Cup and two League Cup successes. Jeff Stelling, the Sky Sports presenter, expressed his dismay and accused ITV of 'ageism', which the broadcaster has . I love my work and I've got plenty on, so I'm not making a statement or anything like that, this is not a grave matter of state, I'm just trying to explain, just telling you that I'm really really disappointed about this, I don't know why I'm being replaced, I'm well, able and available and I'm just going to miss the England games so much, even more than I miss the Champions League games and that's all.'. The Premier League confirmed that Keys had called Massey to apologise, but that did not stop himfrom continuing blaming the ordeal on "misguided fun"and referring to"lads' mag humour", attributing it as normal inpubs, clubs and dressing rooms across the country. Vladimir Smicer and Xabi Alonso put the Reds on level terms, to which Tyldesley claimed 'Miracles are possible' before Liverpool went on to win their fifth European Cup on penalties. Steven Gerrard puts a grain of doubt in the back of Milan minds,' he said. But Steven Gerrard headed home to give Liverpool fans a glimmer of hope and Tyledesley's reaction was priceless. Tyldesley, a fan favourite over the years, will be working on next year's delayed European Championship but not in the lead role. Enjoyed every minute with some amazing people on the show and behind the scenes which made it the iconic show it is today. It is never about Bumble. A left .
", Original reporting and incisive analysis, direct from the Guardian every morning, Andy Gray was recorded criticising a female assistant referee and saying they "probably don't know the offside rule". I gather one or two sites are reporting that I've been sacked. Both Keys and Gray eventually signed a contract withAl Jazeera in June 2013, covering football from Qatar where they commentate on the Premier League, FA Cup and the Champions League. Scott was trending on Twitter last night as many praised her as one of the most talented football pundits in the UK, but she was also hit with a slew of sexist tweets. ', said Tyldesley as Rooney wildly celebrated at Goodison Park. Speaking outside his home near Southampton, he said: 'I just don't agree with some of the points of that movement - specifically the defunding of the police and the anti capitalist points are things I do not agree with. They always score!
The pair spoke of their disapproval of women officiating football matches, questioning their knowledge and qualifications. Sky sports commentators. 'Because a black person or a woman might get the opportunity to do this job. Match of the Day pundit Ian Wright, who works for the BBC, has since lauched an impassioned defence of both Richards and Scott, as well as other personalities linked with the roles, by blasting "racially-driven" criticism. Nov 06, 2021 10:35 am EDT. Home Sky Sports Sky Sports Football Presenters, Commentators & Pundits. He also famously captured the moment Manchester United won the European Cup against Bayern Munich in dramatic fashion in 1999, saying: 'Beckham into Sheringham and Solskjaer has won it! It has been reported that talkSPORT are set to snap him up for their coverage of Englands Test series in the Caribbean next March. Le Tissier has since returned to Twitter following the news breaking of his departure, writing: 'Enjoyed my time at sky sports, time to look forward to life's next challenge, thank you for the support down the years and special thanks to the backroom team good luck all have a lovely day.'. It is understood that Sky had originally planned to treat Gray's exchange with Burton as part of the same disciplinary charge but the emergence of the new evidence made his position untenable. Both Sky Sports and the FA condemned the comments, which led to Keys resigning from his role and Gray being sacked. Through experiences you gain that wider perspective. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Former Chelsea and West Ham defender Minto joined Sky at the end of his playing career and has been a regular feature on Sky. "The comments weren't great but I think it was a joke and I have got a feeling they might be linked in some way," Reid told BBC Radio 4's PM. Sky Sports review: Sky sports commentators. Both were sacked from Sky . MATT LE TISSIER has been kicked off Sky Sports along with his fellow Soccer Saturday pundits Charlie Nicholas and Phil Thompson. He most notably was the voice of the 2005 Champions League final between Liverpool and AC Milan. It is thought that with the show's panel being made up entirely of white men of a certain age, Sky felt that Soccer Saturday's existing format had run its course. It's a simple thing, I agree with the cause but there are parts of the organisation that I just cannot support. The pair discussed Massey's appointment for the game at Molineux on Saturday, speaking when they believed their microphones were switched off. He has extensive experience of his own having held roles with the BBC and also Sky Sports both as a presenter and commentator. Gray replied: Why is there a female linesman? A REMINDER:This Clive Tyldesley commentary on Manchester United winning the Champions League in 1999 pic.twitter.com/oWstcfYi6o, With the news that Clive Tyldesley is being replaced as ITVs main football commentator, I think its only fair to remind everyone just how good he is at his job. Jeff Stelling, the Sky Sports presenter, expressed his dismay and accused ITV of 'ageism', which the broadcaster has denied. Manchester United have reached the promised land, Ole Solskjaer, and the two substitutes have scored the two goals in stoppage time and the Treble looms large!'. Both Sky Sports and the FA condemned the comments, which led to Keys resigning from his role and Gray being sacked. News of the World phone-hacking scandal. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. What exactly did the two say? Sky told SunSport: We are changing some parts of our football coverage Matt, Charlie and Phil have done a great job for us over the years, and they will leave us with our sincere thanks and very best wishes., Confirming his dismissal, Le Tissier wrote on Twitter: "Enjoyed my time at Sky Sports, time to look forward to life's next challenge, thank you for the support down the years and special thanks to the backroom team which include @CazzaEccles @CarlyBassett @tvtrevstats amongst many others, good luck all have a lovely day. Niall Sloane, Director of ITV Sport, said: 'On behalf of ITV Sport, I would like to thank Clive for his superb work leading our commentary on some of the biggest occasions in world football throughout his outstanding career with us. Something went wrong, please try again later. View our online Press Pack. His phenomenal strike left David Seaman stranded and ended Arsenal's 30-match unbeaten run, announcing himself as the next big thing in the process. The three long-serving football experts were given the boot on. Bad.".
TV pundit Andy Gray has admitted he was close to suicide after being caught making a cheap sexist comment on Sky Sports. The pair were
Bobby Bulloch thought he was having a wee laugh by announcing his. There is an attitude that exists such as that. 'ITV have been really good for me and yes I'll carry on as their No 2 commentator but let me make it quite clear, I have not stepped down, I have been moved. The likes of black ex-footballers Micah Richards, 32, Alex Scott, 35, Clinton Morrison, 41, and Sol Campbell, 45, have been suggested as their possible replacements. It reflects what goes on in pubs and clubs," he said. He wrote at the time: You trolls and bots out there who try to belittle me with your snide remarks trying to make out Im some uncaring individual who has no empathy. During Liverpool's 3-0 Premier League victory against Wolves, when Massey made a tightoffside decision that was found to be completely correct upon video replay, Keys said, thinking their microphones had been switched off:Somebody better get down there and explain offside to her Massey.. David Jones.
', Sky Sports has sacked pundits (from left) Matt Le Tissier, Phil Thompson and Charlie Nicholas, The Soccer Saturday trio Matt Le Tissier, Phil Thompson and Charlie Nicholas have also lost their jobs. Stelling appeared gutted by the news, writing on Twitter in reply to Le Tissier: "One of my saddest days ever at Sky Sports with the departure of three of my best mates. The comments below have not been moderated. Analysis and opinion from the BBC's cricket correspondent. The 58-year-old's playing career came to an end in 1996 before he turned to punditry. Good luck to Sky, Jeff, Merse and the new gang on Soccer Saturday.". "I've decided the time is now right to pass on the microphone," said Lloyd. Scott Minto has become the latest high-profile casualty of Sky Sports' shake-up after he confirmed he has been sacked by the broadcaster.. Le Tissier had it written into his Sky contract that he didnt have to wear a tie for the weekend and mid-week television shows. Minto had worked for Sky Sports for the last 13 years, with his sacking coming less than 24 hours after Matt Le Tissier, Phil Thompson and Charlie Nicholas were axed from Soccer Saturday. Wright described Scott as 'one of the best prepared pundits out there' andpraised Richards, who recently became a pundit after the conclusion of his playing career. Tyldesley wrote: 'My experiences in football are considerable and what I have seen and experienced over the years has gradually formed my opinion. So farewell Bumble, it was fun while it lasted. A fantastic commentator who will be sorely missed. On Wednesday, it was revealed that Le Tissier, Thompson and Nicholas had been told about their own redundancies. Peace and love.'. 00:14 GMT 01 Oct 2020. On Monday, additional video footage emerged of Gray, a former Scotland international and striker with Aston Villa, Wolves and Everton, talking off-air with Sky Sports' pitchside reporter Andy Burton about Massey. Liverpool were crushed by the Italian giants in the first half, going in 3-0 down at the break in Istanbul. Get the FREE Mirror Football newsletter with the day's key headlines and transfer news straight into your inbox. I think a lot of people in the country would agree with me. "Andy Gray's contract has been terminated for unacceptable behaviour. Former Manchester United boss Ron Atkinson, who resigned from his position as ITV co-commentator in April 2004 after making an off-air racist comment, also suggested Gray may have been unfortunate to lose his job.
He's now openly gay. I can stand up and take a beating. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. But why does it have to be racially driven?
'Can Manchester United score? Commentator David Lloyd has left Sky Sports after 22 years. ", Gray then said: "No, I wouldn't. "All because three middle-aged white guys have got the sack. Creating a new men's skincare product leads to a sticky situation in Lord Sugar's boardroom Want to get into cricket? What?'. With current restrictions due to end in April, the Serbian 22-time grand slam winner wants dispensation to enter the country and play the BNP Paribas Open in Indian Wells and the Miami Open. Before it was announced that Gray had been sacked, Arthur Smith, general secretary of the Referees' Association, told BBC Sport's Dan Roan that Massey was hurt by the comments. Sky Cricket Commentators 2021. Both Sky Sports and the FA condemned the comments, which led to Keys resigning from his role and Gray being sacked. Rafiq fully accepted that apology and on Tuesday was reported to have told friends he had not intended for anything like this to happen. Sky Sports Cricket said Lloyd was a "star" member of their commentary team, with an "extraordinary ability to inform and entertain in equal measure". A. David Lloyd's 22-year career at Sky is over after the broadcaster's investigation into allegations he made racist comments about Asian players. It read: "It is with a heavy heart that after 13 incredible years with Sky Sports I share the news that I will no longer be working with Sky and be part of their ongoing football coverage. ITV appear to be following the BBC's lead in culling older much-loved talent. Sky Sports' cricket coverage will certainly be poorer - and a lot less entertaining - following the decision by David Lloyd to retire after 22 years with the broadcaster. Can you believe that? The disgraced duo left the broadcaster in infamous circumstances following comments they made in 2011, but what was said?
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